The Encounter that Ignites Hope
Julián Carrón - A dialogue among adults in Florence on November 9th, 2025.
CE: First of all, thank you for joining us. There are so many of us here in Florence this time. As always, what strikes everyone is that each person is here for their own sake. This creates a true companionship right before our eyes—the very companionship we need.
I wanted to immediately bring up the point where we left off. It is that extraordinary passage—though also a source of unease for the ego—where Fr. Giussani says in The Encounter That Ignites Hope: “Our goal, first and foremost, has never been to create a strong fellowship,” a community that imposes itself. Our goal, our passion, is rather to “create a new man in you, so I am committed to myself so that he may be created in me.” He then continues: “There is no other way to enjoy being human except in this love for what you must be. And you must be it because you already are it.”
So, first of all, I would like to ask you: How does fidelity to this passion for being yourself happen in your experience? It is very easy to lose this passion. It seems that everything, as Rilke said, causes us to deviate, makes us settle, and silences this passion. However, it cannot be a matter of sheer willpower, of just gritting our teeth. This is, for me—and for many of us—the problem of life: to live what makes us live, without settling. This is my first question for you.
Julián Carrón: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for this question, because I have had no other desire in life than to experience this newness—this “new man” Giussani speaks of—that would allow me to enjoy all that is human. I have had no other goal than to achieve this. Therefore, I will always be grateful to Giussani, as you have heard me say on many occasions, because he gave me the tools to make this journey an increasingly fascinating experience of life.
What drove me—from within my experience—was precisely my humanity. I don’t know how else to say it; it is an Other who, from within us, drives us to seek fulfillment through that desire for happiness, beauty, and justice that we feel vibrating inside. So, the point is whether each of us is loyal, to the very end, to this need we feel within ourselves. If we are not loyal to this need, and if we do not verify what can make us more and more ourselves, then—to quote Eliot—we “lose our lives by living.”
It is true that one can lose one's way, settling for less; it is a temptation that is always lurking. But when one realizes that everything one is content with is not enough—is not adequate to one's need—it is precisely at that point that the problem reopens, the game begins again. There, one must constantly decide whether to go along with it or not, because gritting one's teeth is not enough. Simply put, as you said, each person must recognize what makes them live. Each person, in every choice they make, in every attempt, in every possibility offered to them, must verify what brings them life.
The only question is whether, as Giussani always said, quoting the philosopher Jean Guitton, we submit reason to experience. If we do not go along with it in our verification, we learn nothing and remain increasingly disappointed, and the desert advances—first and foremost within us. Instead, if we become increasingly enthusiastic about the adventure to which we are called, life flourishes. Each person must ask themselves: “What makes me live? How do I catch life vibrating within me?” It is then that we realize it is not voluntarism, it is not white-knuckling it, but simply amazement at life blossoming again. Because the most decisive things are given to us; we do not grant them to ourselves through our own efforts. It is attention to experience that leads us to discover what makes us live. Everyone can see what they really need by constantly remaining at the level of experience, because it is only by living that the source of life is revealed.
What makes life “life”? What makes it “new”? This is what we need to learn. Life was given to us precisely for this reason. It would have been much easier if the Mystery had created us as automatons; we would not have needed to follow such a fascinating path. Life would be mechanical, but it would not be ours! As Fr. Giussani says, it would be like the mechanism of the stars and galaxies, which are governed by laws. Instead, here lies all the fascination of discovery: what makes life “life”? Otherwise, what you described happens: we lose our passion and settle for less.
But even in settling for less, we do not find peace. What is surprising is that we can make any attempt, but in every attempt, we verify it, comparing it with elementary experience, with the ultimate need of our self. It is not a matter of opinion; it is a matter of experience. And each of us must decide whether to go along with what makes us live—the novelty that makes life “new”—or to give up.
Participant: Yesterday, at the Brancacci Chapel, we saw the fresco by Masaccio in which Jesus tells Peter to pay the tribute.
Peter did not want to. With respect to what you say, for me, it was a surprise of conscience to discover that I can undertake this journey because I have someone before me who bears witness to it. I need to follow a father, and I am seeing that in the beauty of the father's journey, by following him, I too can have the same experience. That is all I need: to follow this father.
Carrón: You see, what you describe... the father can give you the direction, but what I have always wanted is that what was given to me—or what I saw in another—could become mine. I could see it, yes, in another, right before me, and I could even feel great admiration, but I could not live what he lived unless it became mine! What you say is crucial to understanding the fundamental step we must now take.
I am always happy to see you, but the decisive issue is that there is something no one can do in your place. If a person does not commit to his own journey, he will not conquer it as his own. Each person must decide on this, because we continue to dream of systems so perfect that they spare us the burden of being ourselves. There is always something we would like to add, something we are missing. If I had waited for all this—where I was and in the circumstances I was living—I would have wasted my time and my life. Once the Mystery has brought us together with someone who offers us the tools for the journey, the question is whether I can verify if it happens in me. If it does not happen in me, it will never become mine!
I understand what you are saying, because without the presence of another in whom I can see the journey, I would be lost in my attempts. But the step is not mechanical: once I have found it, I must follow it. And following it is not simply repeating what is said, but verifying it in experience so that it becomes mine. Only then can it persuade me. Don Giussani says this in a sentence I discovered recently, which amazes me: “Christianity, being a present Reality, has as its instrument of knowledge the evidence of an experience” (Avvenimento di libertà, Marietti 1820, Genoa 2002, p. 190).
Only if we have the “evidence of an experience” can we truly convince ourselves that this “new man” is possible. It is not enough to see it in another person. Seeing it introduces, so to speak, a crack in our conviction that it is impossible. It ispossible! Because I see it in another person—but it does not pass mechanically from the father to me. It is a journey. And this is the way the Mystery respects our freedom, making everything depend on our free response. “Do you love me?” Do you want this to become yours? Do you want what you see happening before your eyes to become increasingly yours? This is the path of life. Otherwise, we continue to shy away from putting ourselves on the line—which is the only way to make it ours—waiting for some external conditions to make what we want happen. It can never happen, as we are free men, except through our freedom.
Participant: Hello! One thing I have heard you say often recently, which struck me deeply, is the phrase from St. Augustine: “You [God] show quite clearly the greatness you have attributed to rational creatures; [because] nothing less than You is enough for their blessed peace” (Confessions, XIII, 8,9).
I began to experience this a few weeks ago. My son left to study and pursue what he has always wanted. Strangely and unexpectedly, I felt a deep longing, so much so that one afternoon, on my way home, I had to ask myself: “But if he were here, would he be able to fill my heart?” Honestly, I had to answer no. I asked myself: “Who can really fill my heart?” This made me feel the need to seek Him and recognize Him in my daily life.
I realized this began to affect the decisions I made at work, how I behaved, and how I looked at things. Let me give you a trivial example: a customer came in one afternoon. Since I had no appointments, I had planned to finish some paperwork. But when this customer showed up and asked a very long question, I was annoyed. I thought, “No, this can't be!” But at that moment—it was just a moment—I said to myself, “Either you follow your own thought and carry out your plan, which is to finish the task you have in mind, or you see what happens if you lean into what is happening to you.”
So I said, “Okay, have a seat.” He started telling me about himself, about his wife who was unwell, and about a serious bereavement in the family. When I finished everything, he said to me: “You know, I have to be honest. Before coming here, I went somewhere else where I'm a customer, where they've known me all my life—they know everything about me. Yet the manager said, ‘No, look, I don't have time, you didn't make an appointment.’ How come you don't know me and yet you've given me your time?”
This dynamic really struck me, and I said to myself: “Look how life is filled with flavor and intensity when I decide to give in, indulging reality as He makes Himself present to me.” And it is precisely for this flavor that I return to seek Him. Yesterday, I too was struck by Masaccio's Tribute, because I had the same experience as Peter: he didn't want to pay the tribute, but he yielded to the finger of Jesus, who said to him: “Go fishing and you will find the coin you need to pay.” I, however, often do not want to pay this tribute, or I do not see where Christ is pointing me. I understand that I lose a lot because I want to experience this taste; I want to live like Christ. Even Peter, by paying the tribute, had the opportunity to live like Him. How is it for you?
Carrón: Peter, in order to pay the tribute, does not have to make an effort of will, nor pour all his energy into finding where to get the money... It was very easy. “Go, catch the fish, take out the coin, and pay the tribute.” It is about following the way in which what the other points out to you can become yours: "If you want to have life, a hundredfold here below, follow me! I know I made you this way; I know how I made you. I am the one who showed you the greatness of your person, precisely because nothing less than Me is enough for you. I know this very well. So, don't bother looking for ways other than what you perceive, clearly, in your experience."
So, when we begin to verify this... You saw it with your son: you could have gotten angry or complained that he left; you could have tried to distract yourself to cope with your nostalgia. Instead, this is precisely the path to take: that evening, when you feel this unexpected provocation, you find within yourself the resources that have come to meet you in a place like this, and you begin to take another hypothesis seriously. You begin to play it out. “What if my son were here? Could he perhaps fill this longing I feel?” In an instant, your question refocused the issue. Immediately you had to say “No!”
So, if one is not satisfied with this “no,” because it does not resolve the nostalgia, one begins to experience what Giussani says: “It is I whom you miss in everything you enjoy,” in every nostalgia you feel, in everything that is not enough for you. And you, realizing this, what did you do? You started looking for Him again, and this made you perceive how true it is that He makes Himself transparent in experience. When this becomes the way of recognizing Him, when the starting point is that everything happens to facilitate recognizing Him—“But don’t you miss Me through the longing for your son?”—then we can verify it every time it happens. We can say: “Thank goodness this happened to me, because now I seek You! If I hadn't felt all that longing, today I could have spent the whole afternoon distracted, distant.”
The same thing happens with your client. If one does not follow this path, one misses a new opportunity. Why? Because only by going along with the unexpected way in which He happens can we truly recognize His presence. It is anything but gritting your teeth; on the contrary, it is simply having this poverty of spirit, this simplicity of heart in going along with Him, in going to take the coin from the mouth of the fish to pay the tribute, in going along with the way in which He is given to me. No one could have imagined that the answer to the tribute was in the mouth of the fish... But He takes care of telling you; He takes care of meeting your need! We, with our own energies, could not have responded to all the greatness of the heart with which He made us, and within which there is already a trace of what He responds to. The question is whether we, as you say, go along with Him.
Participant: In May, I spoke about how it was more in line with my heart's expectations to face reality as it is in my relationship with Him, rather than relying on my images of reality—such as fantasizing about things I like to do but usually cannot because of my husband's condition, like traveling abroad. Then, it happened that two of my nieces, who live away from home, gifted me a trip because they wanted to be with me in a place they imagined I would like—a warm place with lots to see from an engineering point of view.
In the days leading up to my departure, the conditions were right for me to go because my husband was stable. I had to work on myself first, because I always run the risk of feeling indispensable to him, as if I were the one who made reality happen. Instead, it was nice to be attentive and recognize—it really took very little—that every morning, moment by moment, it is Someone else who makes my husband, and that by looking at him in his total dependence, I continue to rediscover him for myself.
The other thing is that, when I was deciding to leave, everyone encouraged me, saying: “You have the right, it will do you good to get away, take your mind off things...” The more they said it, the more it annoyed me. Precisely because of this, I left with a great desire not to distract myself—that is, to be there with all the urgency I feel every morning.
It was beautiful, first of all, because of my tension not to miss anything of the impact with reality, with the things I saw. I can only summarize by saying that it felt like being in that page by Don Giussani where he describes this immense construction site with all the engineers and workers...
CE: Which country did you go to?
Participant: I went to Dubai. Nothing special, perhaps, but seeing these engineers trying to build the bridge... It was nice to recognize where that attempt comes from, what lies at the heart of that craving for greatness and beauty. And, being there, I enjoyed it.
Then, the other thing that happened was truly a gift. One of my two nephews, a brilliant young man—an engineer with a doctorate who now works in a company—kept me awake one night telling me that he had discovered that all his activity made him dissatisfied. He asked me, “But, Auntie, is that normal?” He is not part of the movement; he has no Christian experience. He said to me: “I am realizing all my projects, but what is the meaning of all this?” It moved me. The only thing I said to him was, “Go to the bottom of what you are experiencing, because now perhaps your greatness is beginning.”
I just wanted to say that it was nice to realize—for once not in the struggle of everyday life, but in a moment of absolute beauty, during this trip, facing the sea and everything else—that the real joy for me is the relationship between reality and my humanity: not distracted, but wide open in its urgency and breadth of meaning.
Carrón: What you say confirms what we were saying earlier about the participant's son and his nostalgia. You were finally able to realize your dream of traveling, weren't you? So, you were able to test yourself not when things weren't working, but when they were going well. The problem of living explodes not when you fail, but when you succeed: that's when you see if that dream is able to meet all your needs.
It is significant that so many people encouraged you and suggested that you distract yourself—implying that if you distract yourself, you will really be able to enjoy it, while if you cannot distract yourself, you will not. But you, from the very beginning, felt that you could only enjoy it if you were true to yourself and to everything, with the urgency you feel inside! The question is: when we are faced with beauty with all this urgency for fulfillment, when we indulge this craving for beauty, what experience do we have?
I always remember two facts. One day we were in Tuscany, in an amazing place, in front of a breathtaking view. Suddenly, someone said, “Even this beautiful view gets boring at some point. Why do you think that is?” I said, “Because if the breathtaking view doesn't have something more inside it, even this beauty is not able to respond to all your expectations. What use is a breathtaking view without You?” If everyone does not verify this, the "You" remains a ‘religious’ ornament, which is fine for moments of “devotion”; it becomes something artificial. It implies that only when things go wrong do I remember You, but when they go well, I can do without You. But it is precisely when things are going very well that one feels the urgency that everything is too little, because nothing is enough if it is less than You! You are not an ornament. You are the Only One who can fulfill this need.
Another time, we were taking a walk in the mountains. We arrived at a beautiful place and someone said: “This must be what paradise is like!” I was surprised by my reaction: “But this is too little. A paradise like this, without Him, is nothing! I would get bored just standing here contemplating this, even though it is so beautiful.” So, the real question is: what are we made of?
I was recently invited to a conference on the theme: “Can beauty save the world?” Everyone was enthusiastic, and there were very important figures in their respective fields—music, art, poetry. Listening to all the interesting speeches, I thought: how will they get up tomorrow morning? How is it possible to spend a weekend talking about beauty without You? Without You, what beauty can truly save life?
So, in any situation—you on your journey, me at the conference, someone else in front of a breathtaking view, someone else in the mountains thinking about paradise—we are challenged. It comes from the depths of our experience whether all this is enough or whether it points us beyond, to the One who can truly satisfy us. So, no voluntarism, no white-knuckling, nothing that goes beyond our strength. It is simply a recognition: the recognition of all that He is doing now, because He is present and is constantly awakening my self in everything I taste: “But don't you miss me?” Without this, living is too little; even when our desire is fulfilled, everything is “too little and too small” for the capacity of the soul. It is as if life lived in this way has within it all the resources to relaunch us into experience, if we are loyal to the need we see springing from the depths of our being. No mental mechanisms, no self-convictions. Only urgency. And only those who go along with it will understand: “What a blessing that You are here!”
Participant: I am a teacher. I wanted to start with a phrase that you said earlier: “Even in being satisfied, we do not find peace.” This helped me to understand something that happened to me, but it is a bit like the key to my position in life, because I often feel a gap in the things I do, in the things I choose, in the things I love.
There always comes a point where I feel almost a distance, almost a void, a difficulty. A few days ago, I was in the parish hall in the town where I teach. I was teaching School of Community on The Religious Sense with some of my former students, now university students, and current high school students. We were in a room, just us, and it was all very beautiful because the questions that came up—from young people who did not know the movement but started from their own hunger for life—were very powerful...
However, at a certain point, it was as if I asked myself: “But what am I doing here?” Honestly, I felt this moment of distance from what was happening. Then, a boy I don't know appeared in the hall, covered in tattoos. He said to me: “What are you doing here? What are you doing?” I tried to explain, talking about the School of Community, etc., and he said, “But who are you?” I said, “We're high school students.” His curiosity struck me, so I asked him, “What do you do in life?”
With pain, he said to me: “No, I did not study. I am a bricklayer.” At that moment, I was very hurt by this young man's position because I realized that I was trying to deny that feeling of distance I was experiencing, as if I were asking myself: “What am I doing here?” Instead, the question asked by that young man struck me, because I realized that the point is that I want to be totally present in everything I do. I was grateful because it was like a dart to my heart, through that young man who wanted to be there at that moment and who said with nostalgia, “I didn't study.” He gave me back the full meaning of what I was feeling: even when we are satisfied, we do not find peace.
Carrón: But the beauty of it is that you were able to understand the significance of that boy's contribution and face his drama, precisely because of the journey you are on. If you don't follow this journey, you cannot grasp the value of what a boy, the last to arrive, is telling you. In order to grasp and understand the sadness of life, the drama of life, you need your human journey; you need to feel that nothing is enough. And that when you are content, you find no peace. So, everything passes through experience, because it is experience that makes us understand, that makes us jump at whatever happens. Everything speaks a hundred times over, and we see the “hundredfold here below” happening: everything becomes a gift that multiplies in abundance, everything is filled with fullness... “In the experience of a great love, everything that happens becomes an event in its own right,” said Guardini. And then life multiplies and being satisfied is too little.
Participant: I wanted to tell two very small stories. Three years ago, amidst the events of the movement and a no-holds-barred war at work, I got sick. I became much more fragile, and since then I have found it more difficult to cope with even the small shocks of life. The main protagonist of this story at work was my manager. For three years, I would have gladly thrown her down the stairs every time I met her...
Carrón: You wouldn't have solved anything regarding your suffering, and you would have complicated your life even further.
Participant: But it would have given me a little pleasure, let's say, at least at the time...
Carrón: Too meager, the satisfaction...
Participant: ...and short-lived. Instead, a few months ago, other things happened. At a certain point, she attributed to me a desire that had never even crossed my mind—namely to hurt her, to create obstacles for her at work. It was not true. I said to her: “Look, I will never hurt you, because I don't want to live like that. I don't want to look at you like that and I would never hurt you”... even though I had wanted to for a long time.
This changed me, first of all—the way I looked at her—and it also changed the way she looked at me. So, from a certain point on, our conversations—in the total diversity of characters, of experiences, of everything—are becoming a holding on to each other, a desire for life to be more real, even in our working relationship. Something I would never have expected.
The second fact is precisely this little vacation. I think, like everyone else, we have moments of greater enthusiasm and moments of lesser enthusiasm in doing things, but I need to choose and seek out what builds me as a person, what helps me remember who I am. So, in the total blindness of the moment—as I told my friends who came here with me from Basilicata—I said: “I come like the blind man, who puts his hand on the shoulder of the person who then makes him walk.” I am leaving not in the same way, because what we have experienced in these days—not only the beauty but the way of reading this beauty in the visits, in short, being with you—is as if it had made me open my eyes again.
I return with my eyes open and with a desire to fight in life, and with a taste for this fight and this construction, which I did not expect when I left, even though I desired it. From this, I wanted to conclude with something that has been very present in my mind in recent months, a phrase from St. Paul: “Domino suo stat aut cadit.” That is, everyone, everything they do, they do in the presence of the Eternal Father—whether they stand or fall, whether they reject or accept him. This is helping me a great deal in the circumstances we are experiencing and that I am personally experiencing: full of trust, full of positive curiosity even about what I encounter in my most difficult days. So much so that, precisely because of this and because of the strange new beginning with my manager, they offered for me to stay on the job—next year I should be retiring—and I agreed to stay on for another three years, instead of throwing her down the stairs and staying home.
Carrón: Thank you, dear, because everyone is called to follow their own path, without censoring any of the possible reactions to what happens, to the difficulties with the manager or otherwise. As you saw, at a certain point, even the thought of hurting her didn't sit well with you, deep down. And so you had to change your mind: “I don't want to hurt her!” And then—you told us—this changed the relationship between you, because there is something worse than certain thoughts, and that is indifference, when deep down we don't care about anything at all.
A wrong thought can be an opportunity to see if it suits you, if it will give you peace, if it will solve your problem with life. The Mystery, even starting from something you would have discarded, like that thought, comes to you to make you understand something you would never have expected: seeing Him win with the manager, not with someone else, not by running away from the situation, as we always think. Instead, the unexpected happened, as you say about your little vacation, from which you return different, with more confidence. You see the recurrence of what we started with: the “new man” in us. Not as a moralism to be achieved, but seeing it happen through everything that life does not spare us.
This gives us a glimpse that there is no other way, as Giussani always told us, that does not pass through circumstances. We walk toward destiny not in spite of circumstances, but through circumstances, through everything that we would often discard; everything becomes part of a plan that leads us to experience the unexpected that happens. This is what makes life an exciting adventure, because the more we live it, the less we are spared, the more He makes himself known not in the abstract, not in our thoughts, but by surprising us in the “evidence of an experience.” He reveals himself before us. “I am the One who makes you vibrate like this, who makes you change like this; what I make happen to you, what you did not expect, that is Me. Not an abstract thought, outside of reality or outside of you. No, it is Me who is present.” This is how His presence is revealed, and we are filled with an ever-increasing desire to seek Him, because anything else without Him is too little.
CE: We have the third episode of the girl from the play...
Carrón: Okay, let's see. Have you already stopped the play or...
Participant: ...we're ahead, now. I know you have answered this question a thousand times, but I can't leave without asking it again. When you say that everyone is provoked in their gut by what happens and realizes in experience that anything is too little for the capacity of the soul, I, faced with a lot of attempts, very often feel like saying, “Enough!” But, as I say it, it is as if the reason that says: “But no, I need to enter, to try...” is already exploding in me. So it is as if there were a constant temptation (which I think is a mental thing, not an experiential one) to say: “So, if nothing is enough, why should I do this or that?” At the same time, however, my human need constantly asks me to get passionate about a lot of things that I didn't even see in the past. I don't know if you understand...
Carrón: So what?
Participant: The answer I give myself now, even after these days, is: “But don't you see that in experience things happen that you couldn't imagine, but that respond much more to all your need for love than the attempts you have in your head?”
Carrón: This is conversion. Conversion is submitting reason to experience, because only when you see it happening are you convinced. Your thoughts and worries will not convince you, but the happening of the “evidence of an experience,” do you understand? This is what will persuade life. Jesus, in fact, does not say to follow Him regardless of what happens. No. “Whoever follows me will have a hundredfold here on earth.” We verify that He is happening because life multiplies, as you see. The whole problem of living is to go along with Him, because in this way life becomes more and more “life.” This responds to the initial provocation, which said, “It's easy to lose passion.” When do you lose passion? When this doesn't happen. Instead, when it happens, we return home different, as our friend said earlier, and we increasingly desire to seek Him. If you take note of what you say, you realize that everything on this path is to surprise us with how He makes us enjoy Him, reawakens our desire to seek Him, which is the opposite of white-knuckling it. Do you understand?
Participant: I wanted to read a piece from an article in La Repubblica (November 4, 2025), from the dialogue between Massimo Recalcati and Concita De Gregorio on sex education in schools. A controversy has erupted in recent days because Minister Valditara said that there is no need for sex education... Recalcati, responding to De Gregorio, says (I use this as an example):
"The same applies, in my reasoning, to so-called sex and emotional education. A good teacher is not a moral philosopher, does not claim to lead the lives of his students in the right direction (which would that be?), is not a professional educator. I remain convinced that it would make no sense to have a subject dedicated to teaching what sex education or affectivity is, because this education should arise from the life of the school itself.“
And then he says:
”The risk would otherwise be a psychological decline, feeding the illusion that there are experts or specialists dedicated to explaining what proper sexuality or affectivity should be."
The article is very long, but this struck me because, beyond the world of school to which I also belong, it is exactly the same in our dynamics these days, in many of the struggles I sometimes face. So, I ask myself, with regard to the question that was asked at the beginning—to follow life where it happens—where do I see life? Where there is not this division between someone who ‘explains’ it to me and my life. I see life where one, while living, experiences unity. This frees me greatly, because I realize it instantly; that is, it is not a moral reflection...
I realized this urgently the other night, when I received an unexpected phone call in which a person, even a very influential one, told me about some rather important things. I felt free to say what I perceived in my experience, without worrying about the role he has in the city, about what would be right to say or not to say. I only have my experience and this is exciting. I don't know if you understand. Yesterday we saw it in the tile of the Navigation, where there is not this dualism between the navigator and Jesus. That is, I can face you or I can explain an author at school by introducing that there is love, without having to give a lesson on affectivity. To me, life seems to be this.
Carrón: It seems to me that—to return to the beginning—this united life is the “new man.” And this is what educates. What you need is to live this, and what a young person needs is not an explanation of sexuality, but to see where life is united, a new way of facing reality; only this can respond to his need to understand what life is, affectivity, everything... Because everything is united.
This is recognized in an instant; no special “equipment” is needed to recognize it. It surprises us! That is why we say that everything is “resolved” in the encounter with a new humanity which, recognized in the moment, generates in you a way of being in reality. It gives you such an experience that, when you have to talk to one person or another—as you were saying just now, in that phone call—you can rely on your experience.
So, welcome back to this constant adventure of living, because only in this way can we truly contribute to everyone: to the manager, in the phone call, in the face of boredom or nostalgia for your son... Everything is given to us so that what makes life united, Who makes everything united, may be revealed. Because a life without His presence is not able to unite everything. That this presence may become more and more familiar is the purpose of living. Have a good adventure, guys.
CE: Thank you, Julián! We always need someone to say “welcome back!” to us. And anyway, the sign, at least for me, is that that crazy desire to seek Him, which you were talking about, has been reborn a little. So, thank you. See you next time, we'll be waiting for you.
Unrevised notes by the author and the participants.
